Thom Browne and Michael Glover
Season 2, Episode 7 | December 12, 2019
The codpiece—a fashion curio, yes, but one whose padded cup runneth over as a conversation piece. The designer Thom Browne, whose collections have featured codpieces over the years, and the writer Michael Glover, who just published an unlikely and hilarious history of the codpiece in art, talk male vanity, gender fluidity, camp, Catholicism, tailoring, and more—all revolving around this little flap of cloth about the midsection.
Michael Glover’s Thrust: A Spasmodic Pictorial History of the Codpiece in Art is available now from David Zwirner Books.
Image: Thom Browne and Michael Glover at Browne’s office, New York, August 2019
Flavin Judd and Eileen Myles
Season 2, Episode 6 | December 5, 2019
When Donald Judd moved to the desert town of Marfa, in the 1970s, it was ranch country—and offered limitless space to work. In recent years, before it became an oasis of Instagram clout, Eileen Myles bought what they say is “the last cheap house in Marfa.” In this lively and freewheeling episode, one of America’s most recognizable poets and writers talks with Flavin Judd, Artistic Director of the Judd Foundation and part-time Marfa resident himself, about Marfa then and now, I Love Dick and Succession, Gertrude Stein and Andy Warhol, a “mammoth” new project and poetry’s comeback, how Myles found their utterly unique voice and where it overlaps with Judd’s art—and his own pioneering way with words.
Donald Judd Interviews, a collection of sixty interviews with the artist over four decades, was recently published by David Zwirner Books. (You can find it here.) In March, 2020, a major retrospective of Donald Judd will open at the Museum of Modern Art in New York.
Image: Eileen Myles and Flavin Judd, Hangar Studios, New York, September 2019. Photo by Alex Casto
Oscar Murillo and Charles Henry Rowell
Season 2, Episode 5 | November 20, 2019
Class, race, art—and the Colombian and African diasporas. The artist Oscar Murillo, who is short-listed for the 2019 Turner Prize, and Charles Henry Rowell, the founder and editor of Callaloo, the longest continuously running African American literary journal, hold an unpredictable conversation that is part history lesson and part personal history.
Image: Oscar Murillo and Charles Henry Rowell at Hangar Studios, New York, June 2019
The Yayoi Kusama Phenomenon
Season 2, Episode 4 | November 7, 2019
David Zwirner’s major new Yayoi Kusama exhibition EVERY DAY I PRAY FOR LOVE opens in New York this November.
Image: Christian Luiten and JiaJia Fei at Argot Studios, New York, September 2019
Chris Ofili and Emily Wilson
Season 2, Episode 3 | October 23, 2019
An epic live episode of Dialogues. In journeying deep into Homer’s Odyssey in front of an audience at David Zwirner’s 69th Street gallery in New York, artist Chris Ofili and classicist Emily Wilson encounter religion, art, personal history, gender issues, Trinidad, Greece, truth, lies. Featuring a live reading from Wilson, the first woman to translate The Odyssey into English and a 2019 MacArthur Fellow.
Image: Chris Ofili, Lucas Zwirner, and Emily Wilson at David Zwirner, New York, 2019
Alex Da Corte and Charlie Fox
Season 2, Episode 2 | October 9, 2019
When the artist Alex Da Corte and the writer Charlie Fox talk about Edward Scissorhands, Frankenstein, Hercules, Michael Myers, A Clockwork Orange, Scar from The Lion King, they’re also talking about beauty and body anxiety and disability and sexual attraction and queerness—the anxieties of existing physically in the world every day. Da Corte, whose elaborate videos, sculptures, and installations critically re-stage pop culture, art history, and his own life, and Fox, whose recent book This Young Monster celebrates beautiful misfits and freaks across all walks of culture, go deep on how they live—in their minds and in their work—far from what they call normative behavior.
Visit Da Corte’s solo exhibition in New York at Karma through November 3 and his work at the Venice Biennale through November 24, in the main exhibition May You Live in Interesting Times. And you can buy Fox’s book This Young Monster here.
Image: Alex Da Corte and Charlie Fox at Hangar Studios, New York, July 2019
Jordan Wolfson and Jeremy O. Harris
Season 2, Episode 1 | September 25, 2019
It shouldn’t surprise anyone that when the artist Jordan Wolfson and the playwright Jeremy O. Harris get together, sparks fly. Wolfson’s art confronts intimacy, violence, and desire with sometimes-shocking honesty. Likewise, O. Harris, whose buzzed-about and radical Slave Play comes to Broadway this September, uses music and bodies to complicate themes of violence and sex—and perhaps most powerfully of all, race and history. Jeremy is able to dip in and out of absurdity even at his most serious, something that Jordan has also mastered in his mysterious narratives. Plus, they’re friends who love to talk. Here, they debate and cover everything from suppression and transgression, sexuality, pop music, pornography, and more—all of it very colorfully.
See Jeremy O. Harris’s Slave Play at the Golden Theatre on Broadway September 2019 through January 2020. For tickets and more information, visit broadway.com.
Hilton Als and Thelma Golden
Season 1, Episode 8 | February 14, 2019
A revealing conversation about the life and teachings of James Baldwin that draws on Beauford Delaney, the pivotal role of invested teachers, and how the writer shaped the racial and cultural landscape in America.
In this episode of Dialogues, Pulitzer Prize winning cultural critic Hilton Als is joined in conversation by friend, collaborator, and thought partner Thelma Golden of The Studio Museum in Harlem for a conversation on Baldwin that traces back to their very first meeting at The Odeon. Brought together on the occasion of the exhibition God Made My Face: A Collective Portrait of James Baldwin, curated by Als, the duo examine the legacy of Baldwin and his impact on both their own work and today’s culture.
God Made My Face: A Collective Portrait of James Baldwin is on view at 525 & 533 West 19th Street in New York through February 16, 2019, when the galleries will close early at 2 PM for a special event.
Sir Paul Smith and Nicholas Fox Weber
Season 1, Episode 7 | November 14, 2018
A conversation about clothing, instinct, and finding high art in everyday life that touches on Jackie O, Kandinsky, and the Bauhaus
In this episode of Dialogues, Nicholas Fox Weber—cultural historian and executive director of The Josef and Anni Albers Foundation—is paired with acclaimed British fashion designer Sir Paul Smith. The two are brought together on the occasion of a major retrospective of Anni Albers’s work, currently on view at Tate Modern, London. Their shared admiration for the art of Anni and Josef Albers drives an eclectic conversation about abstraction, aesthetics, and the tactile nature of design.
Anni Albers is on view at Tate Modern, London, through January 27, 2019.
Listen to Paul Smith discuss his interest in the life and work of Anni Albers at Tate Modern on Saturday, November 17, at 3 PM. More information.
Jarrett Earnest and Peter Schjeldahl
Season 1, Episode 6 | October 17, 2018
A conversation about the intersection of art and language that grapples with loneliness, religion, and our visceral reactions in the presence of powerful art.
In the sixth episode of Dialogues, Jarrett Earnest—author of the unprecedented overview of American art writing, What it Means to Write About Art: Interviews with art critics, out next month in the US from David Zwirner Books—converses with Peter Schjeldahl, award-winning art critic and esteemed writer for The New Yorker. Touching on Piero della Francesca, Gatsby, and autodidacticism, the two examine the depths of language, the anxiety that accompanies writing, and the value of maintaining a lighthearted approach.
See Jarrett Earnest in conversation with Peter Schjeldahl and Paul Chaat Smith on What it Means to Write About Art at the Strand Book Store on Thursday, November 1, at 7:30 PM. Tickets and more information
Marcel Dzama and Will Butler
Season 1, Episode 5 | August 29, 2018
A conversation about instinct in creative practice that nods to punk rock, fatherhood, and the ethics of artistic expression.
In the fifth episode of Dialogues, artist Marcel Dzama—known for his whimsical style, distinctive color palette, and varying mediums that include drawing, sculpture, film, and costume design—is paired with musician and composer Will Butler, a key member of the indie-rock band Arcade Fire. Recounting influences from their upbringings that range from Duchamp to biker culture, Vikings to variety shows, the duo discuss the role of art as a form of revolution in the current political climate.
See Dzama’s work in the exhibition Marcel Dzama: A Jester’s Dance on view at the University of Michigan Museum of Art in Ann Arbor through September 23, 2018.
Watch Will Butler perform live in Arcade Fire, currently on tour through North America. Visit everythingnow.com for tour dates and more information.
Lisa Yuskavage and Tamara Jenkins
Season 1, Episode 4 | August 8, 2018
A conversation about giving a voice to untold stories that draws on Jane Campion, Philip Guston, and the raw authenticity of human emotion.
The fourth episode of Dialogues: The David Zwirner Podcast features painter Lisa Yuskavage—known for her portraits of nude figures and her skillful control of color—in conversation with widely celebrated screenwriter and film director Tamara Jenkins. Counterparts and close friends, Yuskavage and Jenkins discuss how personal experiences inform their creativity—touching on dark comedy, eroticism, and the importance of trusting your own vision.
View new large-scale canvases and a survey of small-scale paintings by Lisa Yuskavage in her forthcoming exhibitions, opening this November, at David Zwirner’s Chelsea and Upper East Side locations.
Watch Tamara Jenkins’s newest film, Private Life, in theaters this October.
Stan Douglas and Jason Moran
Season 1, Episode 3 | July 25, 2018
A conversation about collaboration and the obsessive power of good music—touching on Netflix, Kendrick Lamar, and what it’s like to play with Miles Davis.
In the third episode of Dialogues: The David Zwirner Podcast, photographer and multimedia artist Stan Douglas speaks with MacArthur Award–winning pianist and composer Jason Moran—currently Artistic Director for Jazz at the Kennedy Center—about making and experiencing art. These longtime friends and collaborators discuss what it means to awaken ideas through the language of improvisation and exceed viewer expectations.
See Douglas’s work in Shape of Light: 100 Years of Photography and Abstract Art at Tate Modern, London, and I Was Raised on the Internet at the Museum of Contemporary Art Chicago, both on view through October 14, 2018.
Watch Jason Moran perform with saxophonist Charles Lloyd on August 4 and 5 at the Newport Jazz Festival in Rhode Island. For tickets and more information visit newportjazz.org.
Rose Wylie and Russell Tovey
Season 1, Episode 2 | July 11, 2018
A conversation about the importance of character, the value of mistakes, and painting from film.
In the second pairing in David Zwirner’s Dialogues series, the critically-acclaimed painter—and recent recipient of the Queen’s OBE award—Rose Wylie talks with the actor Russell Tovey from BBC’s Being Human and HBO’s Looking. Wylie, an admirer of cinema, and Tovey, a fan and collector of Wylie’s work, engage in a conversation about improvisation, instincts, and creative influences that T Magazine describes as "charmingly off-the-cuff."
View Rose Wylie: Hullo, Hullo . . . at the Centro de Arte Contemporáneo in Málaga, Spain through September 9 and Rose Wylie: History Painting at Newlyn Art Gallery & The Exchange through September 15, 2018.
Jeff Koons and Luke Syson
Season 1, Episode 1 | June 27, 2018
A conversation about Duchamp, Michael Jackson, the allure of the Renaissance in the age of Instagram, and more.
In the debut episode of David Zwirner’s new podcast, world-renowned artist Jeff Koons talks with Luke Syson, Iris and B. Gerald Cantor Chairman of European Sculpture and Decorative Arts at The Metropolitan Museum of Art. Their far-ranging discussion touches on evolution and reality TV; polychromy and Pop culture; Plato’s cave and the iPhone.
View Koons’s work at the Met Breuer, New York in Like Life: Sculpture, Color, and the Body (1300–Now), curated by Syson and Sheena Wagstaff, Leonard A. Lauder Chairman of Modern and Contemporary Art at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, through July 22, 2018.
For more on what’s to come on Dialogues, listen to our trailer.